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Jon and Eric have worked in the security space for more years than they care to count. From commentary on current events to random musings, they chat (mostly) about security and technology topics. However, life is more than just the day job. From beekeeping adventures to hiking mountains to favorite shows, there's always something fun to wrap up the show. Opinions are their own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of their employer, friends, neighbors, or even each other.  

Oct 11, 2025

This was almost "The Quiet Episode" after some audio challenges, amazing what technology can hide... Eric gets back in town just in time to leave town. Jon goes to a bookstore. The UK is still trying to get Apple to create a backdoor. OpenAI talked about malicious use of AI. ShinyHunters are back. Pristine Stars are a thing and Powell's City of Books is cool.